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Virgin Birth

September 21, 2010

Why Are Religious Claims a Target for the Extraordinary Claims Campaign?
Some comments on Supernatural Claims, Evidence, and the Burden of Proof

The Claims:
“Virgin birth” refers to the Christian tenet that Jesus was miraculously conceived by Mary, who remained a virgin. According to the Christian Gospels, Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, thus having no natural father.

The Evidence:
Coming soon!

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15 Comments leave one →
  1. April 25, 2012 4:56 PM

    So then abstinence is not always 100% successful.

  2. Chris permalink
    November 25, 2011 2:35 PM

    What I find interesting is that a few times the the Gospel writers let slip a few times on Jesus linage . If Jesus was related through Joseph to Abraham. I am not too sure what the Holy Ghost had to do with it . Did Jesus have 2 dads ? Occams Razor suggests not 🙂

  3. Clint permalink
    June 20, 2011 3:27 AM

    If the consequences to premature pregnancy in courtship, was death by stoning, wouldn’t you and your partner agree on claiming it was immaculate, for the safety of your wife and child?

  4. Kei permalink
    May 31, 2011 3:34 PM

    In-vitro fertilization 🙂

  5. Don permalink
    December 16, 2010 6:26 AM

    Gatinho,

    You seem to have got your two key points muddled-up. First, it is the Hebrew word for virgin, alma (used famously in Isaiah 7:14) that is ambiguous. The Greek parthenos (Luke 1:27) is not ambiguous in its attributable of virginity.

    The councils on Constantinople had nothing to do with deciding the virginity of Mary (they dealt with issues such as the holy spirit). I dont know what you might be referencing, purely because there was no issue over whether she was a virgin. The idea that there was a camp of the church who thought Mary was not a virgin is, well….odd. You could be thinking of the dispute over whether Mary was continually a virgin- i.e. after Jesus’ birth. This is something that splits Catholics and Protestants today. It does though have absolutely nothing to do with a conversation on the virgin birth of Jesus.

  6. Gatinho permalink
    December 15, 2010 5:32 PM

    The Virgin Birth… this website lists this entry as incomplete but it does state “According to the Christian Gospels, Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, thus having no natural father.”

    I hope they fix that to read “According to translations of the original Christian Gospel…” because no ORIGINAL written text used the word “virgin” because “virgin” is an English word, and of course the original scriptures were not written in English.

    When describing Mary, The original ancient writings consistently use a word that has two meanings:

    1. a woman ready for marriage (and presumably a sexual virgin if she’s marriage material)
    2. ANY woman who is young

    In translation of the ancient text, the duality of the original word’s meaning is lost… and the choice of which translation to use was a very conscious debate.

    The Church’s Councils prior to 553 AD debated this issue, but it was finally the Church’s Counsil of Constantinople II in 553 AD, after further debate, VOTED that the meaning to keep is a sexual virgin. So the Church, by majority vote, declared Canon Law that Mary was a sexual virgin, and not just a young woman ready for marriage, and added the text that, being a virgin, the father must therefore have been divine intervention, and therefore God is both father and son. This Counsil went further to say anyone denying this is a heretic, leaving no room for further debate on the matter. This decision divided the church into two followings, those who went along with the vote, and those who refused to accept it. Of course, those who refused to accept it were, by declaration, heretics.

  7. greame permalink
    December 14, 2010 9:22 PM

    If Mary was impregnated by god, then Joseph wasn’t his father. But Joseph was supposed to be a decedent of King David. Since Joseph wasn’t Jesus’ father, then Jesus was not a decedent of King David as the prophesy goes.

  8. BenRN permalink
    December 9, 2010 9:27 AM

    If there is no “Christ” then there is no “Virgin Birth”.
    Science says there was no artificial incemination 2010 years ago.

  9. Jason permalink
    December 6, 2010 1:33 PM

    with moden day medicine it is possible to have a Virgin Birth even with common sence can tell you that they can put a fertilised egg in a virgin or have a cloned placed in a virgin so many way in this morden time

  10. Brian Ritter permalink
    December 6, 2010 8:50 AM

    If it was a miracle, god caused it, it violated the law of conservation of energy.
    If it was some “natural freak accident” of some sort of cloning, it wasn’t a miracle (and therefore of no religious significance ).

    But wouldn’t you, if it happened to you girlfriend, think that maybe she was just lying to you?
    Wouldn’t ‘sexual intercouse’ be the most obvious answer to the question: how did you get pregnant?

  11. Tim Thomason permalink
    December 6, 2010 3:47 AM

    I think “the angel Gabriel” came and told (and maybe asked?) Mary that she was to be with child at one point. The difference between rape and consensual impregnation would be if Mary agreed to have the child.

    Of course, we’re dealing with an omnipotent being here, so it’s still conceivable that God simply knew that Mary would consent and did not bother to ask her.

  12. Don permalink
    December 5, 2010 9:00 AM

    Nina,

    Christians don’t believe the Holy Spirit raped Mary. The situation would be rather analogous to artificial inception (which I presume you don’t class as rape!).

  13. December 3, 2010 7:45 PM

    so what, the ghost flew through her?

    isn’t that rape?

  14. Don permalink
    December 2, 2010 2:25 PM

    Mr. Kosta,

    Of course in humans that would be true. But The account of the virgin birth in the New Testament anyway describes God’s spirit moving over Mary before her impregnation. Mary didnt just become spontaneously pregnant.

  15. Mr.Kosta permalink
    December 2, 2010 10:53 AM

    If parthenogenesis (a fancy word for virgin birth) was remotely possible in humans (it isn’t of course), then Jesus would have been a clone of Mary, as he couldn’t have been given an Y chromosome from his mother.

    That alone crumbles the virgin birth myth.

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